act on instinct

All I’m hearing is “On count of 3! Okay 1, 2…two and a half…I REALLY MEAN IT NOW! …two and three quarters…”

Just make another mainline movie, cowards. CONTINUE THE STORY. These spin-offs are all dicking us around until then, I could literally go play pretend. Starfighter, Mandalorian and Grogu, what a joke.

Mocata said:

Sure, but puppets and animation at least have the tangible feeling that human hands were involved, and there was really something there on the day (or after on a scale go-motion set). Your brain can just tell somehow. Bad opticals on the other and might be more of a problem, but there aren’t really many in SW.

Sometimes it’s too tangible to the point of looking unintentionally rubbery or miniature, could even make an argument for rushed matte shots, it depends how you measure your idea of lifelike, Dud Bolt is all real in The Phantom Menace, but he sticks out in his own way vs the other racers, he is clearly a rod puppet with little to no articulation. ymmv

On the other end of the spectrum as a kid I never fully bought anytime claymation was used, the chess board can be excused as some janky game, but that Tauntaun man I dunno…and maybe this is too far but Yoda in ESB looks great as long as he’s not talking, he’s no ET, barely a ninja turtle, but he was the first of his kind in a way so it’s forgivable! Unlike the prequels…hmm, maybe this isn’t actually a very good faith argument.

You’re right, that was intentionally provocative, I just wanted to see the spar over storytelling logic.

No speaking in riddles, please. If you have a counterpoint then explain it, taking things personally and huffing away is boring for discussion. We shouldn’t be engaging in clap backs, we’re smarter than this.

I’m not sure it is better, I’d appreciate more commitment before we stay marching in place for another 10 years.

Superweapon VII said:

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Mocata said:

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Channel72 said:

It’s just so hard to take Star Wars seriously if Rise of Skywalker is actually a thing that happened. Where do you even go after “secret fleet of 10,000 Star Destroyer Death Stars” and “Palpatine magically returns and electrocutes the sky”?? I can’t take it seriously after that because we are now firmly in the Spaceballs Universe and only Mel Brooks should be allowed to direct from now on.

I have a suggestion but I am holding it for ransom from The Walt Disney Company.

The classic “it was all a dream” cold open?

Too stale. Kick up a notch by making it a dream within a dream*.

*Within another dream if you’re feeling especially creative, but proceed with caution.

Dream within a dream is sufficient.

Mocata said:

act on instinct said:

Channel72 said:

It’s just so hard to take Star Wars seriously if Rise of Skywalker is actually a thing that happened. Where do you even go after “secret fleet of 10,000 Star Destroyer Death Stars” and “Palpatine magically returns and electrocutes the sky”?? I can’t take it seriously after that because we are now firmly in the Spaceballs Universe and only Mel Brooks should be allowed to direct from now on.

I have a suggestion but I am holding it for ransom from The Walt Disney Company.

The classic “it was all a dream” cold open?

Channel72 said:

It’s just so hard to take Star Wars seriously if Rise of Skywalker is actually a thing that happened. Where do you even go after “secret fleet of 10,000 Star Destroyer Death Stars” and “Palpatine magically returns and electrocutes the sky”?? I can’t take it seriously after that because we are now firmly in the Spaceballs Universe and only Mel Brooks should be allowed to direct from now on.

I have a suggestion but I am holding it for ransom from The Walt Disney Company.

Thanks for sharing this! Unlocked some memories I forgot I had.

This is like a monkey’s paw wish, yes I would love a fresh new adaptation of The Odyssey, but not like this…

clseibold said:

Eh, they could do what Star Trek did with The Next Generation: basically a “soft reboot” that doesn’t reboot the whole continuity, but focuses on new characters within the same universe. It’s not necessarily true that sequels have to depend fully on the movies that came before them, and I think Star Trek is one of the best examples of this.

It’s not that easy, Star Trek has a built in premise of multiple crews exploring space, Star Wars is a character drama, you can’t just discover a new alien race and call it a day. Plus these are sequels not spinoffs, they should be interconnected beyond the setting or what’s the drive?

The unwillingness to continue the canon and expand on it with new contributions will ensure this brand dies with the older fans, it is a long road into a dead end.

It may be counterproductive at this point to scapegoat Rey’s character deficiencies on gender when virtually every character I can think of in the ST is under-written. It’s almost too clean of an excuse when the overarching plot of the trilogy amounted to practically nothing. The overall meta is the worse issue for me, Disney is caught between selling Star Wars to the next generation and to the previous one at the same time, they knew they were making an active choice to soft reboot with TFA, and they had their reasons although now in hindsight it was a clear case of short term over long term gain. This nostalgia trap has not been escaped, even the more successful series rely on a status quo, locked in a time period of predetermined circumstances maintaining familiar iconography. Not that there isn’t something worthwhile about spinoffs enriching those eras, but it can’t be the only thing, it’s frustrating to spend so much time ultimately going in circles. That’s why I’d like a future for Rey, I’d like ANY future for this saga at all, I want my story back, we’ve been so starved for genuine progression and world building on par with the prior trilogies hardly anyone even believes in the potential of true sequels, it’s all been narrowed to a galaxy of stormtroopers, inquisitors, the same 4 species of aliens, x-wings/tie fighters and lightly tweaked lightsabers and droids if we’re lucky. The ST even backed out on anything close to new territory like the oracle in TROS. So the sky is the limit, unfortunately that takes risk and imagination.

Vladius said:

The message of Luke appearing in projection form isn’t that “the Jedi are good, actually,” it’s that image is everything.

Vladius said:

It isn’t necessarily consciously trying to be dour and cynical or make the audience feel bad at the end, but it’s clear that that is the worldview that it’s coming from.

I know I’m stepping in here late but I just wanted to say this is how hot people talk.

I am comfortable with a convenient time skip, it already has been a decade since 7, even 9 was pre-covid which is a lifetime ago for some. It’s about time as distance from the ST, no leads partnered up or did anything to necessitate they be old and make it a literal next generation this time, they can just add characters and expand on the new setting like they failed to do last time. I get it, rebuilding itself is underwhelming, but for the central mystery there’s enough roots for what I think is untapped story potential through all that was never satisfied in the first place, is soft rebooting worth it? If it’s good…

For what it’s worth I don’t really have faith in the team cracking this puzzle, but I do think there’s a solve that would do a lot to redeem the legacy or preserve some idea this saga has some through line or cohesion. This is actually the right opportunity in my opinion for a coda, but I might be idealistic. I just think there’s so much that can still be made of the remnants of Rey’s history, the dyad, maybe some still living knight(s) of ren, Poe/Finn/Rose growing more into leadership positions in the fallout, picking up the pieces. A lot can change or develop as much as post ROTJ.

But they are jumping off points that don’t exist yet, aren’t they? The real problem is defining a suitable existential threat that isn’t anticlimactic post-TROS, but the characters have untapped potential.

Those stakes you both mentioned feel close enough to ROTJ’s ending to me, albeit less satisfying, and the fact that the ST skipped over those moments actually benefits a Rey movie since we actually aren’t retreading if we never saw the challenges of rebuilding. There still needs to be a compelling hook on top, but I believe it’s a challenge a clever writer could handle.

Just dropping in to say I really enjoyed Trap and thought it was very well made, almost want to call it a modest instant classic.

That was always an issue with sequels, TROS and ROTJ just leave less reason to continue than ROTS which ends basically on a cliffhanger. If there’s no groundwork that’s almost better because the ST was bad, so we can start semi-fresh. I think there’s still something worthwhile about fulfilling Rey’s character and enriching that era, in some ways it’s not as shackled as the ST was, the OT trio are dead, their only offspring is dead, no Palpatine or Snoke or Hux…

it’s not quite starting from scratch but I personally feel there’s enough to salvage with a good story and I find that worthwhile if it can rehabilitate post ROTJ/TROS era Star Wars, in the best case scenario the worst of the ST is an awkward blip on the radar for Rey which doesn’t necessarily tarnish her ability to rise to becoming a more realized character, I don’t think Vader is held back by his awkward phase all these years later.

Mocata said:

There’s not point coming back now and trying to do anything post-TROS.

The real debate, I still think it’s doable and worthwhile in spite of all the damage done by TROS.

rocknroll41 said:

Rumor has it that Lawrence Kasdan is gonna be the new writer of this.

Don’t do this to me…

Did they announce it? Seems like it’s only in development which doesn’t mean much.

This was very compelling! I’ve seen a few 3d movies at this point and especially on a headset it can be very noticeable when the effect is done in post to a 2d movie, this was even better than other professional releases I’ve seen! A few shots were very immersive and had an extra pop to the scene like the droids on Tatooine, and of course the pov cockpit shots, one of a tie-fighter chasing Luke was particularly spectacular.